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Identifying An Antique Desk?

An ornately carved wooden desk.Can anyone tell me anything about this desk?

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July 6, 20211 found this helpful
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This is a kneehole desk. "The kneehole desk was developed in England in the early 18th century. Its top was supported by two banks of cupboards, or drawers, separated by a space for the legs of the person seated at the desk. Larger versions - known as library tables or partners' desks - enabled two people to work facing each other." www.britannica.com/.../kneehole-desk

Your desk looks like a Victorian mahogany desk from the late 1800s to the early 1900s. It is heavy, massive, substantial, with dark finish, ornate carvings and decorations. These are typical features of Victorian furniture.

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Dark woods such as mahogany, rosewood, and walnut were the most common types of wood used to make Victorian furniture, although oak and ash were also sometimes used. Replicas of Victorian furniture are invariably stained to resemble the rich hues of Victorian furniture.
Your desk is carved. Often Victorian tables had a very decorative carved base. www.maynardsfineart.com/.../a-victorian-oak-kneehole-desk-50...
I found a Victorian carved oak Puginesque washstand, the back set with Minton Shakespearean tiles. It has a flower pattern cut out like on your desk www.the-saleroom.com/.../lot-13852065 Estimated price 600-800 GBP.

Take a good look at your desk. Check if there is suddenly plywood or particle board somewhere. These materials were not used in furniture making until the 1930s.

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Its a good sign that its an antique if less visible parts of the furniture are made of a cheaper wood, for example pine wood.
Run your hand along any exposed surfaces. If its too smooth, then its probably been machine sanded. Generally antiques were hand sanded, with a slightly rougher finish.
Look at the connections. If they are extensively glued together, as opposed to using joints, then its probably not antique.
Check nails. Round nails were not used until about 1900, before 1900 they were square cut.

I think you have Antique Victorian Carved Mahogany Kneehole Desk. The price of such antique table can be very high $ 500-1000 (possibly higher) www.maynardsfineart.com/.../a-victorian-oak-kneehole-desk-50..., www.ebay.co.uk/.../114806954512?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid..., www.sellingantiques.co.co.uk/.../, www.ebay.com/.../323840927263, www.1stdibs.com/.../

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Therefore, to be sure that this is a truly antique table, a specialist should examine it.

 
July 6, 20210 found this helpful

WOW!! Thank you so much for all your information on this Piece, Paula

 

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June 29, 20210 found this helpful

You need to look for identifying markings. Look under the desk, behind and in a drawer. You should also see if the drawers are dovetailed. If the dovetails are uneven, the desk was handmade, which makes it older and more valuable.

 
July 6, 20210 found this helpful

I found the green image in the drawer & the numbers on back of piece

 
 
 

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July 1, 20210 found this helpful

I looks like it might be walnut or chestnut.
They both were effected by a blight which lessened the availability for furniture making.
Perhaps furniture made with these woods before the blight is more valuable now.

 

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July 6, 20210 found this helpful

I am not convinced this is a desk, but I believe it may be a French style vanity. Do you have a place in the back center or top center where there were holes for a mirror? Look for holes or feel for filler where holes may have been filled in, sanded over and refinished.

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This closely resembles a vanity made in the 1930s by Continental Furniture Company in High Point out of North Carolina. Vanities were quite a hot ticket item in those days it it would have had a matching stool or bench or chair that is smaller than a normal sitting chair.

My reasons for not thinking this is a desk, but rather a vanity is it looks like the top is smaller than a desk. Desks typically have much more space to work--even ladies writing desks.

Perhaps if I saw it in person, I would think differently.

Are you asking to value the piece?

I am going to see if I can find a photo the vanity I am thinking of. And if I find it I will post back.

 

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July 12, 20210 found this helpful

It's great that you found the maker's label. When I answered your question, these photos with maker's label were not yet added, and I had to search for at least something a little bit similar to your desk for quite a long time. It is unrealistically difficult to identify and determine the year of furniture manufacture only from one not very good quality photograph, without having any more information.

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So the label says your desk is made by American Furniture Company, Batesville, Indiana.

"The American Furniture Company in Batesville, Indiana, has its roots in the Batesville Carving Company, which was founded in 1866 by Frederick Greemann, and Schrader Furniture Company, created by Herman Schrader in 1875. Schrader and his associates established the American Furniture Company on 21 April 1879, which came under new management in 1885 with John Hillenbrand as a principal investor. The Hillenbrand partnership, however, was dissolved on 31 December 1887. In February 1888, the American Furniture Company organized yet again, this time with John St. Clair as president and John Hillenbrand as vice-president." indianahistory.org/.../american-furniture-company-batesville...
It says that in 1913 the American Furniture Company remained a manufacturer of "high grade bedroom suites."
Also, you added a photo of the back of your desk. Although your desk looks very similar to a Kneehole Desk, but Kneehole Desks usually have finished, nice looking backs, since they were used for more than just against a wall. And the back of your desk is not finished.
Therefore, I now also think that you rather have a vanity desk, but it had a mirror, like this Vintage Ornate Walnut Vanity Desk with Mirror by American Furniture Company Hillenbrand Industries Master Made Furniture Batesville Indiana www.ebth.com/.../4592622-vintage-ornate-walnut-vanity..., which was sold for $675.
Another American Furniture Gothic Revival Walnut Burl Vanity Desk Mirror Dressing Table circa 1930s was sold for $2000 www.1stdibs.com/.../

The American Furniture Company made furniture in a variety of styles. I found a piece of bedroom furniture with label "American Furniture Company - Hillenbrand Industrials - Master-Made Furniture - Batesville, Indiana", which is an example of English Revival furniture, the style was inspired by 17th-century English design www.silive.com/.../revival_furniture_stands_the_t.html Presumably he was made in the early 1900s.
The style of your table was apparently also inspired by English design, but the Victorian Period (19th-century), as the pattern of Victorian furniture was copied (see flowers at Victorian carved oak Puginesque washstand www.the-saleroom.com/.../lot-13852065

I found the Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office Volume 325, August 1924, which says that the logo, like the label on your desk, was patented in 1923, claims use since Feb. 6, 1923 (Ser. No. 181,000; page 229). Particular description of goods: Beds, Dressers, Chifforetes, Man's Rob Cabinets, Vanity Dressers, Night Stands, Bedroom Chairs, Bedroom Rocking-Chairs, Bedroom Benches, Man's dressers, Lowboys, All Being Articles of Hall, Living-Room, and Bedroom Furniture.
So, your Vanity Dresser (Desk) was made after 1924.
You've added a photo of the back of your desk where it says 565 WAL. I found Art Deco Antique Tall Chest on Chest, with exactly the same label as your desk. It has 395 WAL, and it was made in 1925 www.harpgallery.com/.../item29088.html#&gid=1&pid=25 So I think your Vanity Dresser (Desk) was made after 1925, possibly in the 1930s-40s.

Your desk seems to be in good condition. The price of your desk without the mirror will not be high, perhaps $200-400, but the price depends on demand and how quickly you want to sell it.

 

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July 20, 20210 found this helpful

Your vanity looks very dark in your picture but I would venture that it is gorgeous up close.
Looks like you have received a lot of information but maybe not everything.
I would suggest you take a few more pictures - especially some up close showing the handiwork as well as some good fron , side and full back and present these to both of the following sites and see if they can provide more specific information about your piece.
I would really love to know when it was made and maybe the value??

You will need to join the sites and it will be a little trouble but you will receive some awesome information.
www.antiquers.com/.../
www.reddit.com/.../

 

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