I know this isn't strictly a money problem, but I would certainly appreciate any advice, anyone could give me. I have a fairly good job, it pays well over the award, the work is fine and not difficult, but I seem to have one problem and it is making me unhappy and I am starting to look for another job.
I share an office with a woman, she works for another company with whom we share a building. At first she just talked incessantly, about her life, and shared far too much information. She goes into detail about every conversation she has, just everything. I thought that was, well a bit much, but OK, I would just say hmm or yes occasionally although it did interfere with my work. Anyway a month ago, I think she got angry with me. I'm not sure why, but she stopped talking to me, but now she makes noise incessantly, talks to herself, hums loudly, taps her feet, whistles, answers people when they speak to me, etc., etc. She will also shout swear words occasionally at her computer I suppose.
No one else is that bothered; I suppose because they don't have to share with her. I know that she is not well liked, but politely tolerated, because she works with our sister company. I have tried talking to my bosses, but they can't do anything.
Has anyone got any tips for dealing with this person? I have tried talking to her, but she gets angry and if anything increases her behaviour. It feels like a type of bullying, I can't wear earphones, because I need to answer my phone.
I don't want to find another job, but it is becoming increasing obvious that I will have to. Does anyone have any advice, on how they dealt with a similar situation?
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If you request a head set, you can answer your phone just fine. Then, you can get the waxy kind of earplugs from any pharmacy and block her out.
I would request a sit down with her and your boss, and lay out in details of what is happening. Mention that others feel this way too, that it's just not your beef.
Office stress adds to your personal stress like you can't believe. When you can't express yourself, it gunnysacks and can and does make you sick.
Let me give you an office scenario from hell.
I used to work for the Oregon State Police as a AFIS tech. That means I read, classified and patterned fingerprints. Among my many duties was to share the graveyard shift with two younger men.
Along comes Christmas of 1999, and one of our supervisors went to the dollar store and bought us all a glass tree full of candy. It was on our desks when we three came to work. One of the gents was of a faith that didn't celebrate the holiday, so he asked me how to handle it. I said "I will take it home to my grandson if you don't mind", and that was the perfect solution.
Come the next day, the super asked someone "Where's Na...'s candy tree"? Someone just said "Sandi took it". Had anyone asked for an explanation, it would have stopped right there. But instead, with all the crime and insanity out there, they launched a theft investigation over a 1.00 present.
Because I needed my job I didn't say anything after all the gossip and rumors died down, and stayed another 2 months...running graveyard by myself. Don't get me wrong, I loved the quiet and did the job just fine by myself. What was harmful was having me walk into a room and having women I had worked with for two years lock up their purses.
Needless to say the stress was too much and I quit in January. The first day I didn't have that cloud over me I felt like someone had yanked a bad tooth out. I never knew what "waiting to exhale" meant, but I sure do now.
This person sounds like she is about 16 mentally and needs attention. I bet that if everyone in the office put their hands up when she starts to babble, she would get the idea. The boss can't fire all of you, so that bad apple would have to be disciplined or removed.
There's an old adage that says "If 27 people tell you you're drunk, you probably should sit down" is true. If all the people in the office needs this situation changed, it's not just you.
I hope this helps.
PBP
Have you made a request to involve HR? This might help in a couple of ways, first by making an official request for assistance from HR, and second by the thought HR will schedule a meeting with your space mate to let her know she is interferring with production (that's the way HR usually looks at these things); a bonus might be that you are not the only one who has gone to HR about her. Even though she works for a different company-your HR will contact her HR...if you're lucky.
If you're not lucky, you are probably going to end up trying to find a new job in a hideous economy. I almost lost my job and my pension whilst working in the US at a financial institution. In early 2009 a new space mate arrived and in late June 2009 I ended up on the carpet before my bosses and HR having to remind them that I'm British and saying 'don't get your knickers in a twist' is NOT a racial slur. The idiot co-worker thought I was using the 'N' word. Oh boy. So much for multi-culturalism and diversity in the workplace.
I ended up taking early retirement because of her stupidity-even though I stopped saying knickers she continued to make complaints against me-one of her complaints was that I was giving her the Evil Eye. HR kept calling me in and apologising for having to do so, but I did end up leaving so I would not lose my pension.
Shocking what a space mate can do to a co-worker, it really is! Driving home from work the last day (late Sept 2009), from a job I loved, did well at, and expected to work at for at least five more years, I couldn't figure out why I wasn't sobbing and feeling scared-I needed my job! My pension payments aren't enough to cover living expenses in the US, sadly.
It took me a few days to realise I wasn't freaking out because the relief of not having to deal with that pinhead was so great. I found another, better paid job in Dec 09 which I kept until my return to the UK in late Aug 2010. I don't miss the heartache one bit of working with difficult people!
People like your (and my) space mate are business killers, they really are! Try to beat her to HR if you really love your job, or feel you cannot afford to find a different, more congenial place of employment. Good luck, please update us on how this works out for you.
I would first document everything. Then I would record the behavior with a small recorder. Then I would approach her again and try and politely discuss this with her.
Continue documenting everything, next I would get to my bosses again, then her bosses. Express to them that you've tried discussing this with her on however many occaisions, you've also brought it to their attention on however many occaisions.
Let them know that the behavior is continuing or escalating and that you feel she is using this as a form of bullying. Discuss how they can resolve the problem, move her desk? Something. I find if you approach people humbly approaching them as if you don't know what to do and you need their help or advice they are often more willing to try and help you find answers.
If this doesn't work, I would call the local police department and ask what can be done legally. Sometimes just lodging a complaint can go a long way.
I wouldn't quit my job. A good paying job that you like is not easy to find in this day in age with unemployment being so high and jobs hard to find. It is your employers responsibility to make sure you are in a safe somewhat friendly environment. Certainly not being bullied.
You quitting your good paying job because of an office worker not even employed by your company is insane! Her behaviors fall under bullying and harassment [making your work environment intolerable]. She knows that she has gotten to you, and her actions will continue.
Since you have discussed this issue with your supervisor in the past, he/she knows the situation exists. Bring it up again - ask to have your workstation re-arranged, if possible. If need be, schedule a meeting with Human Resources, your boss, and a union representative, if your place of employment is lucky enough to have one.
A commenter posted documenting her annoying and obviously deliberate actions, using a tape recorder - but keep the recorder in full office view. Covert taping can backfire and cause far bigger problems. Whatever your plans, make sure you have tons of ammo - don't go into any meeting unprepared - reporting her whistling, singing, cursing [which, by the way, can make her liable for a reprimand], etc. isn't going to get you anywhere, but make you look foolish and petty.
The more documentation the better; it will give you the upper hand, especially if the co-worker is called into the meeting. Keep a journal with date, times, and incidents. Think ahead!
One more point - using earphones and listening to music in an open office is a big no-no. It shows lack of interest in your work, and detracts/distracts you from issues that might arise. The bottom line is this - her behavior is interfering with your work! Companies do not tolerate productivity being compromised!
I forgot to wish you the very best with this problem. Working in a close office space is stressful enough without the junk that goes with it. Do not quit your job ... fight it out. Keep your head up! No physical or verbal displays of anger or annoyance. Document!
You cannot do anything to change this woman's behavior, but you have to make your supervisor understand how harmful this situation is to you. Explain (calmly) how this makes you feel and that if you cannot move away from her, you will regretfully have to change your job for your own peace of mind.
I empathize with you, but cannot see an in-house solution. You are the only one she's annoying and management doesn't care. You'll have to tolerate it while looking for another job. Or, maybe if it really affects your job, management will finally have to pay attention. It's poor management that tolerates such behavior. I know what it's like to have an awful job. Let us know what happens.
Thank you all so much for your wonderful replies. I was hoping to get at least one response and to get so many with such great advice has been a bonus. It just made me sad that so many other people have been in similar situations.
I might try taping it. They are aware that she is annoying but I dont think they realize how much it effects me or my productivity. Sometimes I literally get nothing done, because of her talking. I was even told not to encourage her! like its my fault. Once I tried not answering her for literally two hours and she kept talking. She often tells me she doesn't need the work, but it is just like a hobby for her. I certainly do, so I keep hoping she will leave, but it sounds like it's time for me to be proactive.
Thank you all again for your advice, you are helping me take back the power!
Can you ask for your work area to be moved? You said your supervisors 'can't' do anything - why? If you continue to be the only one to complain, you will soon look like the problem. The only way this will stop is if you show your bosses, very clearly that her behavior is costing affecting them by costing THEM time & money.
Document how often her behavior interferes with your work & be as detailed as possible. Whatever she does, whenever she does it, which prevents you from completing your job, document it. Once you create a decent representation of her overall behavior, submit it to your bosses.
Many people in positions of authority today, refuse to do anything that may be confrontational. It's more important for them to be 'friends' with those they supervise than to lead them, which may include doing something unpopular.
The result is exactly this kind of situation; the employee has to spin their wheels to come up with a solution, which could've ended long ago.
Your boss should've contacted her boss long ago, explained the issue & requested they handle it. Those days are long gone, now you have to show what it's costing them, (or threaten to show THEIR boss that info.) talk to them in their 'language'.
Good luck, hope this works for you (or that you've found a solution already).
Keep us posted, I'd be interested to know how this turns out.
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I work in an office environment, in a cubical. The company just hired a new guy and he is so loud that sometimes I can't even hear my customers on the phone. I have mentioned this to him many times, but he still laughs so hard that I am sure the walls shake.
I sometimes pretend to say to my customers, "Sorry I couldn't hear that, can you speak louder because it's so loud here." He still doesn't get it. Should I ask my boss if I can move? or have him moved?How awful! My suggestion is to think of 2 or 3 solutions and present them to your boss with "which one do you think we should use?" Good luck!
I suspect he has a hearing problem. Speak to your supervisor and let him or her handle it.
Problems like this happen sometimes but it may be easier than having to tell your boss that someone has "body odor".
Tell your boss (hope he has a private office) and explain that you have mentioned it to your coworker but it has not changed and that it is making it difficult to do your work.
I would leave the solution up to the boss.
I lived in cubicle land for a long time and hated the coworkers with the big voices! Ugh! Such a challenge because you have to work with these people every day.
Is he being loud on the phone with customers or to co-workers?
If it is to co-workers, perhaps in the coffee room you could catch them together and ask for help by saying something like "hey Jane and John, can you help me with something? I don't know if you are having the same issue I am, but I keep get these soft talker customers. They are so hard to hear on the phone and I am so afraid I am going to miss something when I talk to them because they talk so soft, and sometimes the noise level in the office is so loud. Do you think you guys could go with me to (NAME YOUR BOSS) office and talk to her so we can figure out how to get everyone on the floor to keep the noise level down during the peak phone times?"
Keep it light, ask for them to help, and don't place blame.
If it is just him and it is on the phone and to customers, you could have the same approach, to ask him to help. Make him feel important.
If that doesn't work, DOCUMENT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE, then take the document to your boss yourself and say, I spoke to John on Wednesday at 3 pm and asked him about helping keep the noise level down in the office. He is a great worker, but he is often quite loud and since we talked, I am still having trouble hearing my clients. Do you think we could have a quiet time rule on the floor while the phones are active? I think this is important so we can gie the customers our undivided attention.
Post back how it goes!! So sorry you have to deal with this. It is so challenging working in cube land.
Hi,
I would absolutely go to your boss and ask to be moved to a different location, for the sake of your customers.
If this comes up several more times, with other workers sitting next to him, the boss will realize that he needs to work in another location, where his louder-than-normal voice will not be such an interruption.
Blessings,
---Robyn
You have been working there longer than the new co-worker. Express your concerns with your boss and hopefully that can be resolved.
Definitely nothing wrong with asking ,especially if it is affecting your work performance.Ask boss if you can wear earphones and listen to music to drown him out
Moving is not the answer....change Ur tactic....speak louder than him... trouble him....he should get the message
I believe he needs to have hearing checked. A family member had hearing issues years ago and spoke too loud. They got hearing aids and after about 2 weeks were able to adjust fine to appropriate volume. That was 25 years ago.
I find humor to be the most effective and least offensive answer to a lot. The next time your co-worker raises a loud ruckus, I would stand up and say, with a half smile: "'Joe', at the end of the month, I'll give you $20 bucks if you've learned to lower that big bahzoo of yours so I can get some work done!" If he seems hurt, quickly say "And for extra good behavior, I'll throw in a case of Bud." It makes for much better work relations to preserve a co-worker's feelings and pride. Show him that you're not a prig, but desperately need his help (in this case, meaning -- but not saying -- you need him to lower his voice).
