My great grandma Susan married in 1882. I was told she had this china before she married. It was passed onto me as I share her name. The coffee pot has a small chip in spout. 12 cups, (2 cups each have a tiny tiny chip)11 saucers, 11 breakfast plates, 2 serving plates, creamer, large sugar bowl (for sugar lumps I heard) and a medium saucer/bowl (I believe this is called a slop bowl for tossing cold tea/coffee and dregs before getting fresh brew). I was going to put it into a garage sale, but I think it may be too valuable for that. HAVILAND & CO LIMOGES NAUTICAL ROPESTYLE Thanks in advance!
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Hello ! I found some pieces of your set on sale on the net but never a full set. Limoges is one of the most famous type of China in France. Limoges is a town and a type of China. Your set is valuable indeed. There are different "modele" of this set with the same rose moss decor but with gold painted lines which are more valuable but the difficulty of the making of the nautical ropes handles gives your set a value. The best way to know its worth, in my opinion is to ask the manufacturing company itself for an estimation. You can use the same pictures you used for Thriftyfun but most of all the one showing the mark and number 2006-1 on the bottom of one of the item. Do not hesitate to ask them in english and to ask them in general, they are selling worldwide and have many ranges of different type of China at different prices.
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Limoges is an expensive china. However. as a person selling inherited china myself, I can tell you chipped pieces have no value.
EBay does not have whole sets. The individual pieces I did see have an asking price of $12.99 and up.
The demand for china has decreased though the years. If you like it, keep it, as you may not get as much money as you would have a few years ago.
It is very difficult to place value on china as it is just not that popular anymore. People just seem to want microwaveable mix and match and only families that are looking for an extra plate etc appear to be buying.
Selling your set at a yard sale may not mean a lot of money but may be more profitable in the long run.
You could always set your price at $150 and see if anyone makes an offer.
Selling online would mean breaking up the set and could take a very long time to sell.
You can always contact Replacements and see what they may offer you for your set. But - this would also mean shipping...
www.replacements.com/
Limoges refers to the area in France where the fine porcelain pieces were produced. Kaolin, also known as China clay, was found in the late 1700s at St. Yreix, near the city of Limoges in the region of France known as Limousin. Limoges porcelain is considered the finest hard-paste porcelain in the world because of three very specific characteristics: local natural ingredients (kaolin, feldspar & quartz), exquisite translucence and French exquisite standard in decoration.
About the age of your china.
The age of porcelain can be determined by backmarks. There are usually two marks: the Manufacturers mark and the Decorator mark.
The R stamp in the middle of the diamond shape on the back of your plate is the English Registry mark. "During the period 1842-1883 the British Patent Office issued a diamond mark along with the registration number when a design was registered.
As well as showing that the design had been registered, diamond mark offered the buyer the reassurance of knowing an item was of British design. It also assured the person registering the design a degree of protection from copying. The protection was dependent on the type of material and the class in which the product was placed. The mark was created to identify the type of material used (known as the class), how many items were included, sometimes known as bundles or packages, and the date of registration. Note that the registration number does not form part of the mark. The center is occupied by the abbreviation Rd signifying that this is a Patent Office mark standing for Registered Design." www.thepotteries.org/
"H & Co. underlined over L" in green - Mark F, was used circa 1876-1889 (in another source from 1877) www.havilandonline.com/
Decorator Mark G "Haviland & Co. Limoges" was used circa 1879-1889 www.havilandonline.com/
Blanks were made in 1871 (if there really is the letter A), and the pattern was applied from 1876 to 1889, but since your grandmother had this set before the wedding, then until 1882.
About the pattern.
It is estimated that there are as many as 60,000 Haviland porcelain patterns. There may be 6-12 variations of every pattern. The number of pattern usually found under a casserole (Covered Vegetable lid or on a sugar / creamer) is called the Factory number. Some of the Factory numbers have been identified in the later Schleiger books to a Schleiger Pattern.
I see that you have identified the pattern as NAUTICAL ROPESTYLE like here www.worthpoint.com/
About the price.
Many of the older pieces are still in existence and are desirable as an antique or collectable. Pieces in pristine condition will be worth far more than examples with one or more condition issues.
I could not find pieces that look exactly the same, but you can compare prices with similar ones.
A set of 3 1880's Haviland & Co. Limoges "Moss Rose" Pattern Dinner/Serving Plates is on sale for $105 www.rubylane.com/
A set of a teapot, creamer and sugar is on sale for $75 www.ebay.com/
A teapot is on sale for $31 www.ebay.com/
The price of a cup & saucer is about $20-30, a breakfast plate $10-12 www.ebay.com/
Thanks Diana, lots of good information here. Appreciate it.
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